Hi, done with Biblical counselors....



  • Hi I'm Lenise and I'm coming here because I don't have a mentor for the depression course so I was just hoping to connect with a mentor here. It don't seem like there's much activity here, I know everyone is busy so I'm not complaining. If there is mentor that can take me that would be a big help. I finished lesson one today. I have spent so much money on Biblical counselors, literally thousands of dollars and I'm worse off now than when I first began...Lesson one was so hopeful. Despite spending so many draining hours with biblical counselors, lesson one is the first time I had hope that God can really help me, I don't understand that, and wish I would have found this course years and thousands of dollars ago....


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    @Lenise-Keydor Hi Lenise, so good to see your writing here. Biblical counselors are only truly biblical if they emphasize the gospel of Jesus Christ, the work Jesus came to do as stated in Isaiah 61:1-10 and repeated by Jesus Himself in Luke chapter 4.

    We are looking for a mentor for you right now, but if one is not available please continue in the course. You'll see that Jesus sets many people free without a mentor, just through the power of His Word as it points to the cross of Jesus Christ.

    Lenise, I'm praying for you right now.

    Father in heaven, we know that the Spirit of the Sovereign Lord was on Jesus, because you anointed Him to proclaim good news to the poor, and sent Him to bind up the brokenhearted. Lenise has expressed her exasperation with counselors that don't know the power of the cross to release captives, would you show her that you came to proclaim freedom for the captives and release from darkness for the prisoners. Help her see that you entered the darkness of the cross to rescue her out of it and set her free. In Jesus' name, amen.



  • Thank you Mr Mike, for your prayers and for what you said about biblical counselors. I don’t remember any of them ever talking about the Gospel. I’m glad I found this course. I have a mentor now a lady name Sylvia. She seems nice.


  • Mentor

    @Lenise-Keydor Lenise, oh how the gospel is full of power, full of love, full of light and full of freedom! Jesus died to remove your sin, your guilt, your past. As the light of the world He was snuffed out on the cross, even as darkness reigned that day and evil had its way.

    But this was of God, that you and I might be forgiven of our sins, pardoned from all guilt, set free from darkness and rescued to live in the light.

    1 Peter 2:9-10 (NIV) But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 10 Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.

    So glad Sylvia is mentoring you, she and her husband Erick are precious as they selflessly give to bless many others. May you soak in the message of the cross and be raised up by resurrection power!



  • @Mike I was reading lesson four it said we overcome depression by focusing on the cross. I don’t know if I get that and I’m having a hard time believing that, that’s all I have to do? I desperately want to believe it though...I have tried so many other things...it just seems like it takes more than that, but I don’t want to be leaning on my own understanding or man’s wisdom anymore...I want to really start believing Gods way. Is it okay to ask questions here too or do I just ask my mentor now.


  • Mentor

    @Lenise-Keydor Hi Lenise, glad to interact with you here! You're miles ahead by desiring to not lean on your own understanding or trust in man's wisdom, for the wisdom of God is the cross of Jesus Christ and the power of God is also the cross (1 Corinthians 1:18-19).

    So the question is, does just looking at the cross bring us out of depression? Yes and no. It is looking at the cross, and believing what God says is transpiring there, that sets us free from depression.

    As an example, look at this passage:

    Hebrews 12:2-3 (NIV) fixing our eyes on Jesus, the pioneer and perfecter of faith. For the joy set before him he endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. 3 Consider him who endured such opposition from sinners, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart.

    It is clear that we are to look at Jesus, specifically, to focus on the cross. We are to consider Him who endured such hostility from sinners. So we are to focus on the cross and consider Him as He lived and died for us.

    And what is the result? "So that you do not grow weary and lose heart." Focusing on the cross, seeing Jesus' accomplishment there, brings the power of the Holy Spirit to us. The Spirit energizes and empowers us, and the result is that we no longer live in the weariness of our flesh, losing heart over our attempts at living the Christian life. So the cross and the Spirit go hand in hand.

    So yes, the answer truly is to fixate on the cross, to see Jesus pouring out His life, shedding His blood, loving us clear to death and back! See Him dying to rescue you. Suffering to forgive you. See His wounds, as He invited Thomas to do, and believe that "by His wounds we are healed".

    One way to do this is to meditate on each word of a verse. For example, spend a few minutes examining every word of this passage, and share your thoughts about it:

    1 Peter 2:24-25 (Amplified Bible - AMP) He personally carried our sins in His body on the cross [willingly offering Himself on it, as on an altar of sacrifice], so that we might die to sin [becoming immune from the penalty and power of sin] and live for righteousness; for by His wounds you [who believe] have been healed. 25 For you were continually wandering like [so many] sheep, but now you have come back to the Shepherd and Guardian of your souls.

    Lenise, does this help?



  • @Mike What stood out to me is when it says "He personally carried our sins in His body on the cross. So I'm thinking its more then just knowing the facts of the Cross but making it personal like Jesus made it personal? I have read these things so many times but I' don't think I make them personal enough.


  • Mentor

    @Lenise-Keydor I see what you're saying, yes that can be a hindrance, when we merely believe the facts of the gospel but don't make it personal. We have got to view the cross very personal, see it happening for us individually, putting faith in it as if it were happening to us.

    I just wrote the following for a book a friend of mine is writing, see if you can place yourself in the story here and share your thoughts:

    A Surprise Result of Regarding Jesus

    Through this book, we have been regarding Jesus, let's continue now as we climb the hill of Calvary together, and notice a surprising result of examining the cross.

    We have been watching Jesus as He was falsely accused and wrongly condemned. We winced in agony as we saw Him whipped and beaten, heard Him being mocked and ridiculed, watched Him crowned with thorns, and finally saw Him nailed to a cross. With each blow of the nails into the hands of Jesus, we recounted each word of a passage we learned in our youth about God's promise never to forget us, "I - have - engraved - you - on - the - palms - of - my - hands" (Isaiah 49:16).

    Now we see the guards hoist the cross upright. As soon as it is dropped into its socket, we hear in the distance the blowing of the Shofar announcing the time of the Passover sacrifice. As I look at the cross before me, suddenly I remember hearing John the Baptist announce Jesus as "the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world."

    As we behold the scene before us, the cross itself comes into clear focus, and with it, the shouting of the crowd seems to diminish. I begin to fixate on the One hanging there, for something has caught my eye. What is it that I see in His face? On the one hand, I can't recognize Him as being human, so marred is His appearance, and yet, on the other hand, I look closer, and could it possibly be true? I squint and try to focus, yes, there it is again; I suddenly say it out loud… "He looks like ME!" At the same time I speak, I hear you gasp out the same words, along with others around us. What is happening?

    I step a few feet closer, looking straight up at the cross now, and slowly the sign above Jesus' head comes into focus. Earlier I had read aloud the charge against Him and thought it extraordinary: "This is Jesus, the King of the Jews."

    But now, as I look closer, I can hardly believe my eyes, so I blink, hoping I saw it wrong. No, there it is again; right there on the sign, I see it - MY OWN NAME...and scrolling like a digital billboard comes one charge right after another—a long list of wrongs. I’m ashamed to see the list in full public view, yet nod my head in agreement with each one. At the same time, I hear you beside me reading off a list that is different than mine, and yet I see you nod in agreement to the charges. Later, we would read together, “having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross” (Colossians 2:14).

    As I continue looking, I begin to feel a terrible sensation in my heart. As I see the charges of my wrongdoing scrolling on the sign above Jesus’ head, a question dawns in my mind: have my wrongs crucified the Son of God?

    I stand there, dumbfounded, gawking at this scene, when Jesus suddenly shouts in a loud voice, “It is finished!” I watch as in an act of worship, He bows His head, commits His Spirit to His Father, and breathes His last breath. I see a Roman soldier stab a sword into Jesus’ side, and immediately I feel the pain of it in my own heart as if my own heart were cut. And out of the corner of my eye, I see you gasp and put your hand over your own heart and cry out at the same time as I do. Gasps are heard all over the crowd, as people clutch at their hearts. Later, we would hear this happened again as Peter preached the message of the cross. “When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” (Acts 2:37). Years later, the apostle Paul would write, “...circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit…” (Romans 2:29).

    What is going on here? We don't know it yet, but we will later learn by reading God’s Word that we are dying with Jesus:

    “For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin — 7because anyone who has died has been set free from sin” (Romans 6:7).

    Ah, now we understand! It is not just that Jesus died for all believers, it is that we died in Him! Our old self, the “self” that was in bondage to sin, hurting other people and deserving of death, died under the curse of the Law and under the wrath of God and was buried in the tomb with Jesus. So the surprising effect of regarding the cross of Jesus is to see that we are not only forgiven of sin’s guilt we are also set free from sin’s power! “because anyone who has died has been set free from sin” (Romans 6:7). The cross is of sin the double cure: save from wrath and make me pure!

    We continue in this scene, having been ourselves crucified and buried with Christ. As we lie in the dark tomb resting on the Sabbath, suddenly we feel life-giving power surging into us. Light floods our tomb. What is this? Is it true? Yes, we are alive!

    It’s a new life and a new beginning! We feel empowered supernaturally, as though we could burst out of our tomb and fly to heaven! What is this light, and this new power within us? Later we would read of “his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is the same as the mighty strength he exerted when he raised Christ from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms” (Ephesians 1:19-20).

    Oh my, what a change! What light and power! I now understand that Jesus not only died for me, but I died in Him; not only did He raise from the dead, but I rose in Him to new life! How I apply this truth is to turn from sin, live in my new identity as one dead to sin and alive to God: “In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. 12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires.”

    I regret all those years of trying to overcome sin and failing, all because I was minimizing the cross to only that which reconciles me to God and saves me from hell. Now I see that faith in the gospel also sets me free from sin’s enslaving power. The gospel teaches me that freedom does not come by “addiction and recovery,” but instead by death and resurrection.



  • I have never looked at the Cross like this;

    " But now, as I look closer, I can hardly believe my eyes, so I blink, hoping I saw it wrong. No, there it is again; right there on the sign, I see it - MY OWN NAME.


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